2026 Summit Speakers

The 2026 Human Potential Summit features a dynamic lineup of CEOs, CHROs, and leaders from across business, workforce, and education. Together, they will share perspectives on the critical shifts shaping the future of talent transformation. Topics of discussion across sessions and workshops included preparing organizations and workers for AI, building purpose-driven workplaces, advancing internal mobility and upskilling, and creating new pathways to high-growth careers.

Visit the Agenda page to learn more about how these voices will come together across the full two-day program.

Isaac Agbeshie-Noye, Director, Programs (Widening Pathways to Work), SHRM Foundation

  • Isaac Agbeshie-Noye is the Director of Programs for the Widening Pathways to Work portfolio at the SHRM Foundation, bringing nearly 20 years of expertise in higher education, workforce development, and philanthropy. In his previous role at the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, Isaac spearheaded the development of a foundational portfolio for external partnerships, which included oversight of initiatives to expand access to career pathways in the biomedical sciences.

Marisa Alexander-Daspit, Chief People Officer, Ibotta

  • Marisa Daspit joined Ibotta in 2018 and currently serves as Ibotta's Chief People Officer. Prior to Ibotta, Marisa spent 10 years designing and leading talent management programs in the health care industry.

    Marisa holds a Master's in Adult Learning and Instructional Technology from the University of Colorado. In her spare time, Marisa enjoys running, mountain biking and spending time with her husband, daughter, and three sons.

Mary Kathryn Aviles, Account Leader, Global Analytics, Gallup

  • Mary Kathryn Aviles is Account Leader, Global Analytics at Gallup, where she leads complex research initiatives focused on understanding the factors that shape people’s lives, workplaces, and communities. Her work includes a particular focus on purpose and wellbeing, translating rigorous research into practical insights for organizations and leaders. She brings nearly 20 years of experience in research and project leadership, including experience leading multi-stakeholder studies from initial design through analysis, reporting, and public release.

Marshall Behringer, Manager, Partnership & Consulting Services, WorkForward

  • Marshall Behringer is the Manager of Partnerships and Consulting Services for UW Health WorkForward, where he helps health systems, educators and community partners build innovative workforce pathways into healthcare careers. A former classroom educator, Marshall’s career has spanned education technology, workforce development and business engagement.
    After earning a degree in Secondary Education from the University of Wisconsin–Madison, he worked at Filament Games and the Greater Madison Chamber of Commerce.

Mollie Callahan, Principal High-Tech Anthropologist, Menlo Innovations

  • As Head of People at Menlo Innovations, Mollie Callahan champions a people-first philosophy that treats workplace culture as a core business driver. She has more than 20 years of combined professional experience as a consultant, professor, researcher, designer, public speaker, and HR professional. As a member of the senior leadership team, Mollie helps steward the people, culture, and practices that make Menlo a purpose-driven and people-centered organization.

Jason Jelincic, AI Fellow, Ibotta

  • Jason Jelincic is an AI engineer, researcher, and software builder. He joined Ibotta as an AI Fellow for Executive Enablement through Colorado Thrives’ AI Fellows Program, developed in partnership with CodePath and Anthropic. At Ibotta, he is building explainable AI solutions designed to free teams for higher-impact work while helping leaders understand how AI can be adopted responsibly. Jason has also built AI research assistants, enterprise search tools, and nonprofit platforms.

Erik Leiden, Managing Director of Workforce Strategy, Burning Glass Institute

  • Erik Leiden is Managing Director of Workforce Strategy at the Burning Glass Institute, where he leads the Institute's portfolio of research and programs around private and public sector workforce strategy and talent mobility. Erik has worked with Fortune 100 companies, major universities, state and local governments, and workforce organizations to develop data-driven approaches that expand worker opportunity, mobility, and career pathways.

Ed O'Boyle, Global Practice Leader, Gallup

  • Ed O’Boyle oversees Gallup’s research and consulting practices, ensuring Gallup’s leading-edge science and discoveries drive the impact and performance of Gallup’s clients. Ed has been instrumental in developing many of the company’s consulting frameworks, including the Culture and B2B frameworks. Before Gallup, Ed served in strategic leadership roles in brand management and innovation at Diageo, Barclays, Capital One and PepsiCo’s Frito-Lay division.

Donna Bungard, Director of Accessibility, Indeed

  • Donna Bungard is the Director of Accessibility at Indeed, where she leads Skills-First Hiring initiatives globally. Donna believes a skill is “the demonstrated ability to get something done, regardless of how or where you learned to do it”—a philosophy that drives her work helping employers look past credentials to recognize talent built through non-traditional paths, from caregiving to self-study to lived experience. She brings an accessibility lens to that work.

Yuanxia Ding, Senior Manager, Career Choice – Americas, Amazon

  • Yuanxia Ding leads Amazon Career Choice for the Americas, providing education and job training that enables employees to advance their careers, at Amazon or elsewhere. She oversees programming spanning high school diplomas, associate's and bachelor's degrees, language learning, and curated upskilling aligned with employer needs across the U.S., Canada, Costa Rica, and Mexico. Prior to Amazon, Ms. Ding was appointed by President Obama as Chief of Staff to the Under Secretary at the U.S. Department of Education.

Suzy Broz, Director of Talent Pathways and Operations, Colorado Thrives

  • Suzy Broz is the Director of Talent Pathways and Operations at Colorado Thrives, where she connects education and training partners with Colorado employers to strengthen talent pathways and expand economic mobility. Suzy brings experience across K–12 education, workforce development, and the nonprofit sector. Prior to joining Colorado Thrives, she supported education advocacy leaders across the country at Murmuration and advanced workforce initiatives at Denver Public Schools.

Heather Brace, Chief People Officer, Intermountain Health

  • Heather Brace is the Chief People Officer for Intermountain Health. She is responsible for Intermountain’s engagement culture for more than 68,000 employees spanning across six states. Heather has strategic oversight for talent management and development, recruitment, Human Resources service delivery, total rewards, culture enhancement, learning and development, and integrating diversity and inclusion in the employee culture.

Anna Gowdridge, Programmes Director, Virgin Unite

  • Anna Gowdridge is Programmes Director at Virgin Unite, where she leads a global portfolio of programmes rooted in collaboration, experimentation, and impact. She has led the development of international initiatives that bring together leaders, organisations, and partners to address complex challenges and influence change at organisational and system levels. Her work centres on enabling entrepreneurial solutions and long-term, shared impact.

Paula Goldman, Chief Ethical and Humane Use Officer, Salesforce

  • Paula Goldman is Salesforce’s first-ever Chief Ethical and Humane Use Officer and an EVP of Product. In her role, she leads Salesforce in creating a framework to build and deploy trustworthy technology, with a particular focus on AI and data. Prior to Salesforce, Paula was VP and Head of the Tech and Society Solutions Lab as well as VP of Impact Investing at Omidyar Network. Paula was a member of the U.S. National AI Advisory Committee established by Congress to advise the President.

Joe Fuller, Professor of Management Practice, Harvard Business School

  • Joseph Fuller is a Professor of Management Practice at the Harvard Business School, where he founded and co-leads the university's two research projects on the future of work. Joe is an internationally recognized authority on the evolution of work and the implications for employers, governments and workers. He has published widely cited papers on various issues, including the skills gap, degree inflation, care economics, the management of multi-generational workforces and the unfolding impact of AI.

Nichol Bradford, Founder / CEO, Human + Tech Week

  • Nichol Bradford is the Founder and CEO of Human+Tech Week and Co-Founder and Partner at Niremia Collective, a venture fund investing in technologies that advance human potential, wellbeing, and flourishing. A technology executive, investor, and futurist, she has spent her career at the intersection of human transformation and emerging technology. Her work focuses on how technology and capital can expand human capacity and create more holistic forms of wealth.

Sara Blair, Director of Human Resources, Country Maid, Inc.

  • Sara Blair is Director of HR at Country Maid, Inc. CMI employs approximately 100 full-time employee-owners and 40 seasonal team members. Sara’s HR career spans 26 years and includes service in a variety of industries. She currently serves as the Workforce Readiness Director for the Iowa SHRM State Council, co-chair of the Kossuth/Palo Alto County Economic Development HR committee, a member of the IWD Great Plains Workforce Advisory Committee, and President of SHRM North Iowa.

Jess Englert, Siemens Foundation Program Director, Boldly Go Philanthropy

  • Jess Englert serves as the lead on Boldly Go's work to the Siemens Foundation in North Carolina. Prior to Boldly Go, Jess served as Policy Director for North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper for the duration of his second term, where she led initiatives to provide financial aid to community college students completing their workforce training, implement paid parental leave for state employees, and launch grants for NC Pre-K classrooms, among others.

Tammy Hong, Director of Learning and Advisory Services, Year Up United/Grads of Life

  • Dr. Tammy Hong is Director of Learning & Advisory Services at Grads of Life, where she works with employers and cross-sector coalitions to advance skills-first talent strategy. She leads the design and facilitation of executive and practitioner learning experiences that help organizations move from aspiration to implementation, embedding skills-first approaches into hiring, advancement, and broader talent systems.

Nathanial Foote, Board Chair, Higher Ambition Leadership Alliance (HALA)

  • Nathaniel Foote is Board Chair and Co-Founder of the Higher Ambition Leadership Alliance and Chair of TruePoint. Prior to co-founding TruePoint in 2002, Nathaniel was a partner at McKinsey and leader of the Organization Design practice. Nathaniel is a Senior Fellow of the Center on the Developing Child at Harvard University, a Board member of citiesRISE, and Board Chair of Tools of the Mind, a pre-school and kindergarten program. Previously, he served as founding Chairman for Activate Healthcare.

Rachel Lipson, Research Fellow, Harvard Kennedy School

  • Rachel Lipson is a Research Fellow at Harvard Kennedy School, a Resident Scholar at the Aspen Institute Economic Strategy Group, and a non-resident senior fellow at Brookings Metro. Her research focuses on next-generation jobs created by frontier technologies, many of which do not require a four-year degree. Rachel previously served as a Senior Policy Advisor at the U.S. Department of Commerce’s CHIPS Program Office and the founding director of the Project on Workforce at Harvard.

Mike Berman, Director, Economic and Workforce Development, Amazon Web Services

  • Mike Berman is Director, Economic and Workforce Development for Amazon Web Services (AWS). Mike works with education and workforce development leaders in our infrastructure communities to build, improve, and expand pathways into high-demand roles to build, connect, power and operate data centers and their enabling fiber and energy infrastructure. Previously, he built and led a team within AWS’ Public Sector organization to help education institutions across the globe build academic and workforce programs in cloud computing.

Lori Moylan, Meta

Alex Kazaks, Higher Ambition Leadership Alliance (HALA)

Garrett Gatlin, Senior Principal, Enterprise Change Architect, Workday

  • Garrett has spent his career working on problems that are frustratingly intractable, existential questions about how organizations behave. His work focuses on diagnosing why organizations can’t do what they want, and what to do about it—architecting simple solutions that change behavior at scale. Garrett has spent the last 15 years architecting change as an internal transformation leader at a Workday, former start-up executive, and consultant to a range of F500 companies

Branka Minic, CEO, Building Talent Foundation

  • Branka Minic is the CEO of Building Talent Foundation (BTF). Prior to her executive role at BTF, she was the president of Future Work Consulting, advising donors, global corporations, governments and international NGO’s on the latest research, best practices and policies for addressing youth unemployment. Her clients included the Inter-American Development Bank, the World Bank, Making Cents International, USAID, Global Center for Youth Employment, Accenture, and many others.

Scott Pulsipher, President, Western governors university

  • Scott Pulsipher has served as President of WGU, the nation’s premier nonprofit competency-based university, since April 2016, leading all academic, operational, and organizational functions. He cultivates a student-centric environment by using technology and data to improve three key measures: completion, return for graduates, and equity in both access and attainment. Scott has been named by EdTech Digest as one of the Top 100 Influencers in EdTech.

Lisa Schumacher, Director, Education Strategies & Workforce Policy, McDonald's Corporation

  • Lisa Schumacher is the Director of Education Strategies and Workforce Policy at McDonald’s Corporation. She leads workforce development initiatives focused on expanding access to education and creating non-traditional career pathways both within the McDonald’s system and across other industries. Lisa created and leads the execution of Archways to Opportunity, which enables restaurant employees to learn English, earn a high school diploma, and pursue a college degree.

Chris Ernst, SVP Talent, Chief Learning Officer, Workday

  • Chris Ernst is SVP of Talent and Chief Learning Officer at Workday. He is responsible for leading Workday’s talent strategy, including talent management, leadership effectiveness, learning and development, and pioneering Workday’s technology to optimize these enterprise programs. Before joining Workday, Chris served as the global head of people and organization potential at the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and VP of leadership and organization effectiveness at Juniper Networks.

Taylor Hansen, Principal, Achievement Wallet & LER Ecosystem, Western Governors University

  • Taylor Hansen is a higher education and workforce leader with experience in federal policy, skills-base hiring, innovation networks, digital credentials, and cross-sector partnerships. He leads WGU’s university-wide strategy, partnerships, and ecosystem development for the Achievement Wallet, WGU’s student-owned record of verified credentials, skills, and experiences. He builds trusted credentials that strengthen connections between education and employment.

Patrick Scarpati, Director of Workforce Development and Apprenticeship, Associated Builders and Contractors

  • Patrick Scarpati is Director, Workforce Programs and Apprenticeship at Associated Builders and Contractors (ABC). He helps lead national initiatives that strengthen workforce development, apprenticeship and education programs, industry partnerships, and the construction talent pipeline. A graduate of the ABC apprenticeship program and licensed HVAC-R journeyman, Patrick draws on experience spanning the skilled trades, BIM/VDC, construction technology, and national industry programs.

Ebony Thomas, Managing Partner, Year Up United | Grads of Life

  • Ebony D. Thomas is the Managing Partner of Grads of Life, the advisory arm of Year Up United. Her experience spans organizational transformation, workforce strategy, and change management across the private, nonprofit, and consulting sectors, including roles at Goldman Sachs, Fannie Mae, and Booz Allen Hamilton. Today, she partners with employers, workforce organizations, and ecosystem leaders to advance skills-first talent strategies that expand access to opportunity while strengthening business performance.

Eric Dunker, Chief Development and Strategy Officer, UW Health WorkForward

  • Dr. Eric Dunker is Chief Business Development and Strategy Officer for UW Health WorkForward, where he leads national partnerships, philanthropic and public funding, and strategy to scale employer-led healthcare workforce solutions. Eric brings more than 20 years of experience building employer-aligned education and talent systems. Since 2018, he has raised more than $37 million in external funding and led major cross-sector initiatives nationwide.

Marcus Felder, Managing Director, Blackstone

  • Marcus Felder is a Managing Director and Head of Career Pathways on the Blackstone Operating Team, where he leads workforce and talent initiatives across Blackstone’s portfolio companies. His work includes Blackstone Career Pathways, a firmwide effort designed to broaden access to high-quality talent networks and help portfolio companies recruit, develop, and advance talent through scalable, inclusive workforce strategies.

Dustan Bushman, QTS Data Centers

Julian Posada, Founder / CEO, LiftUp Enterprises

  • Julian Posada is the Founder and President of LiftUp Enterprises, a for-profit holding company and Executive Director of LiftUp Communities, a 501(c)(3) that focuses on both economic and social outcomes of low-income individuals. He has held senior roles at various organizations, including COO of The Resurrection Project and President and CEO of the Chicago Fire Soccer Club. Julian has more than 25 years of experience creating and executing strategies to maximize enterprise value in both the private and social impact sectors.

Mistie Palmer, Director, Workforce Development COE, AdventHealth

  • Mistie Palmer, MHA, MLS (ASCP), is Director of Workforce Development for AdventHealth, where she leads enterprise strategies to build talent at scale for critical healthcare roles. She identifies where talent development offers the strongest response to workforce needs and creates the pathways, training models, and partnerships that help people enter and advance in healthcare careers. Her approach draws on more than 20 years of experience across clinical practice, hospital operations, and workforce strategy.

Lorel Roehl, General Manager of Talent Acquisition, Delta Air Lines

  • Lorel Roehl is General Manager of Talent Acquisition at Delta Air Lines, where she leads enterprise hiring strategies that support operational excellence and long-term workforce readiness. She oversees talent acquisition for business functions including Pilots, Technical Operations, Reservations and Customer Care, Delta subsidiaries, and future-talent pipeline programs. Her career spans leadership roles with The Walt Disney Company, Starwood Hotels & Resorts, and Vistana Signature Experiences.

Ryan Stowers, senior vice president, stand together

  • Ryan Stowers is the Senior Vice President at Stand Together and the Executive Director of the Charles Koch Foundation. Since joining the Stand Together community 19 years ago, he has led investments and partnerships with hundreds of the most innovative organizations, including nonprofits, universities, and other philanthropies. In his current role, he is focused on partnering with leading businesses and employers to empower all individuals to live lives of meaning and contribution.

Bridgett Willey, Executive Director, COO, WorkForward

  • Dr. Bridgett Willey is the Executive Director and Chief Operating Officer for the UW Health WorkForward and the founder and former director of Allied Health Education and Career Pathways at UW Health in Madison, Wisconsin. Dr. Willey also serves as adjunct clinical faculty at the UW–Madison School of Medicine and Public Health. In the last decade, she established a portfolio of 17 earn and learn and apprenticeship degree programs at UW Health that have served over 1300 graduates into healthcare careers.

Janet Foutty, President of Employer Partnerships, RAISE US

  • Janet Foutty is President of Employer Partnerships at RAISE US, a national, nonpartisan nonprofit helping American workers navigate the transition to an AI-powered economy. Janet leads the organization's private-sector engagement, building a founding coalition of major employers committed to co-designing and testing new approaches to worker transitions. Janet finished her 33-year career at Deloitte in 2023, having served as CEO of Deloitte Consulting and Chair of the Deloitte US Board, where she led large-scale transformation for many of the world's largest organizations.

Sarah Goggin, SVP, End to End People, Walmart

  • Sarah Goggin is Senior Vice President of End to End People for Walmart U.S., supporting more than 1.4
    million associates across the Walmart U.S. front-line. She leads the people strategy to align talent, operating models and capabilities around a simple goal: creating an environment where associates can do the best work of their lives and deliver for customers. Sarah believes authenticity creates trust, relationships drive performance, and purpose unlocks leadership.

Laura Lee Kong, General Manager - Propel Career Pathways, Delta Air Lines

  • Laura Lee Kong is General Manager of Propel Career Pathways at Delta Air Lines, where she advances workforce development, builds sustainable talent pipelines, and oversees more than 1,500 active participants in career pathways. With more than 20 years of experience in strategic planning, communications, employee engagement, customer experience, and brand development, she is recognized for leading complex initiatives and building strong cross-functional partnerships. Laura previously led communications and engagement for five airlines across the U.S. and Caribbean.

Todd Hayes, Vice President Learning & Development, QTS Data Centers

  • Todd Hayes serves as Vice President of Learning & Development at QTS Data Centers, where he leads enterprise-wide strategies focused on leadership development, workforce capability, technical training, onboarding, and organizational effectiveness.
    With more than two decades of experience in talent development, organizational effectiveness, and leadership enablement, Todd partners closely with executive leaders to build high-performing cultures.

Haley Glover, Senior Director, UpSkill America - Aspen Institute

  • Haley Glover joined the Aspen Institute in July 2022 as senior director of UpSkill America. Before this role, she worked at Amazon as a senior program manager, where she led college programming for associates on Amazon's Career Choice team. Previously, Haley served as strategy director for state action and equity at Lumina Foundation, where she led Lumina's efforts to mobilize states to support student success and reduce racial disparities in credential attainment.

Rosemary Lahasky, Director, Workforce & Infrastructure Initiative, Meta

  • Rosemary Lahasky is Director of Workforce and Infrastructure Initiatives at Meta, where she leads America’s Workforce Academy, a national program delivering paid training and guaranteed jobs to build the skilled trades pipeline powering Meta’s AI infrastructure.
    A seasoned workforce policy expert, Rosemary previously served as VP of U.S. Government Relations at Pearson, steering federal and state legislative strategies across the education and talent sectors. Her public sector leadership includes serving as Director of Domestic Policy at the White House Office of Economic Initiatives.

Britt Stich, Vice President, Workforce Strategy, RAISE US

  • Britt Stich is Vice President of Workforce Strategy at RAISE US. She previously served in the Biden-Harris Administration at the Department of Labor and the White House, focused on connecting workers with good jobs. In 2015, she co-founded Guild, which has provided millions of working Americans with access to employer-funded education and training through partnerships with Fortune 1000 employers. Britt is a first-generation college student who began her career with Teach for America.

Van Ton-Quinlivan, CEO, Futuro Health

  • Van Ton-Quinlivan is the Founder and CEO of Futuro Health, a nonprofit dedicated to expanding the healthcare workforce and creating pathways to middle-class careers. Through partnerships with healthcare, education, government, and community organizations, she develops scalable talent solutions that strengthen both healthcare access and economic opportunity. Previously, Van served as Executive Vice Chancellor of the California Community Colleges, the nation’s largest higher education system.

Thad Gruss, Director, Talent Operations, Actalent Services LLC

  • Thad Gruss is a seasoned professional in the human capital space, with 20 years of experience with the Allegis Group, a global leader. He has served in a variety of leadership capacities within strategy, operations, fulfillment, recruiting, and business development. He currently serves as the director of talent operations for Actalent Services and is responsible for all talent acquisition for the engineering and sciences services business lines across the United States and Canada.

Julie Kreiss, Senior Director, Britebound

  • Julie Kreiss is a Senior Director at Britebound. She guides the development and execution of Britebound's Career Navigation Impact Hub, advancing a portfolio of initiatives that strengthen how young adults ages 16–18+, and their trusted adult allies, understand, navigate, and pursue quality education and training pathways during and immediately after high school. This work includes leading the execution of a multi-year partnership with Jobs for the Future (JFF) to establish the Britebound Center for Career Navigation at JFF.

Courtney Taylor, Executive Director , AccelerateMS

  • Dr. Courtney Taylor is Executive Director of AccelerateMS, where she leads Mississippi’s shift toward a demand-driven workforce system. Working across education, industry, and government, she aligns training with real hiring needs and measurable outcomes, helping position Mississippi as a national leader in workforce strategy. Previously, she served as VP of Workforce and Economic Development at East Mississippi Community College, overseeing The Communiversity, a 145,000-square-foot advanced manufacturing training center.

Emily Wood-Keel, Vice President, Nuclear HR, Hi Tech Solutions LLC

  • Emily Keel is VP of Nuclear Human Resources at Hi Tech Solutions LLC, where she leads workforce development, strategic planning, training, and leadership initiatives supporting the nuclear industry. She helped develop the Associate of Applied Science in Nuclear Engineering Technology program at Monroe County Community College. Emily’s industry leadership includes serving as U.S. Women in Nuclear Region III Chair and National Nuclear Science Week Co-Chair in partnership with the University of Michigan.

Allison Dulin Salisbury, Founder & CEO, Humanist Venture Studio

  • Allison Dulin Salisbury is the Founder & CEO of Humanist Venture Studio, where she builds companies that create economic opportunity and purposeful work for more people. In her first venture studio, Entangled, Allison launched six education companies that either grew sustainably or achieved successful exits. When Entangled was acquired by Guild Education in 2020, she joined Guild’s leadership team and spent four years there during a period of hypergrowth.

Maria Kim, President & CEO, Redefine Alliance

  • Maria Kim is the CEO of Redefine Alliance, a national venture catalyst backing social enterprises that create economic mobility for people overcoming tough barriers to employment. Prior to Redefine, Maria served as CEO of Cara Collective, helping people experiencing homelessness and poverty get back to hope, jobs, and opportunity. Maria serves on the board of the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts, and the advisory board of CASE Center of Duke University’s Fuqua School of Business.

Kristin Oliver, Executive Vice President, Chief Human Resources Officer, Hyatt

Marissa Ellis, Director, Education and Opportunity, Walmart

  • Marissa Ellis is a global HR, talent, and learning leader with more than 20 years of experience. At Walmart, she leads Live Better U, the company's education benefit that serves more than 2 million associates and has saved associates more than $949 million in tuition costs, with a focus on education, career pathways, workforce skills, and economic mobility. Her work includes transforming large-scale workforce programs, developing talent strategies for critical roles, and creating new pathways.

Amardeep (Amar) Chahal, SVP-Global Marketing, Strategy and Corporate Development, Cold Chain Technologies

  • Amar Chahal is the SVP of Global Marketing, Strategy and Corporate Development at Cold Chain Technologies (CCT). His responsibilities include leading digital/AI and sustainability initiatives. CCT is a leading global provider of advanced thermal packaging and digital solutions for the transportation of temperature-sensitive life science materials. Amar has over two decades of experience in the pharmaceutical and medical device industry, having worked with Eli Lilly and then with Becton Dickinson.